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Jun 23, 2023 18:22
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French term

mention assez bien

French to English Other Education / Pedagogy Baccalauréat Professionn
Hi,
I know this has already been asked on Proz, but I am confused by all the suggestions.
I am translating this document for immigration to Australia. I was told to translate the type of school, the marks, the profession, or the academic degree as accurately as possible and put the original designation in the source language underneath in square brackets and, if necessary, give an explanation in a translator's note.

I found:

- With Honours
- With Distinction
- With A Good Pass

Thanks for your help

Joanna
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Discussion

joanna menda (asker) Jul 14, 2023:
@Sarah. Thanks for the input. I have already put a note regarding this issue.
Sarah Bowtell Jun 30, 2023:
@asker - I can see you've already decided on a suggestion which works but just wanted to add that your client will likely need some sort of official equivalency certificate if the document in question is part of the immigration requirements. In the UK, there is a provider called UKNARIC which issues this type of document, I assume there is something similar in Australia. Grading equivalency is quite a complicated area so I'd just be sure that any translation doesn't suggest it confirms a particular Australian equivalent. Might not be helpful for this project but hopefully could be for a future one :)
joanna menda (asker) Jun 27, 2023:
@ Lisa, I finally went with your suggestion. Could you please put it as an answer so I can give you the points.
Yassine El Bouknify Jun 23, 2023:
Maybe you can send an e-mail or call .... the official website of the Australian Curriculum, Assessment and Reporting Authority (ACARA)
Submit an online enquiry or phone 1300 895 563 or 02 8098 3100 
https://www.acara.edu.au/contact-us
Lisa Rosengard Jun 23, 2023:
It's a good pass mark of between 60% and 70% (12/20 - 14/20).
FR:
"Une mention est assez bien si sa moyenne est égale ou supérieure à 12/20 et inférieure à 14/20. Une mention est bien si sa moyenne est au moins égale à 14/20 et inférieure à 16/20. Une mention est très bien si elle obtient une moyenne de 16/20 ou plus." (google.com)
philgoddard Jun 23, 2023:
There are already ten glossary entries for this, so all you can do is choose the answer you find the most convincing. There are no exact equivalences between educational systems, so there's no single correct translation.

Proposed translations

+1
54 mins

Distinction / Credit

What's his/her mark?
Grade description:
1- High Distinction
2- Distinction
3- Credit
4- Pass
5- Fail

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Note added at 54 mins (2023-06-23 19:17:46 GMT)
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https://overseasstudentsaustralia.com/australian-grading-sys...
Peer comment(s):

agree Anastasia Kalantzi
1 day 1 hr
neutral philgoddard : Well, which is it? These are two quite different terms.
1 day 19 hrs
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+1
1 day 3 hrs

C pass, pass with credit

• Une mention "assez bien" si sa moyenne est égale ou supérieure à 12/20 et inférieure à 14/20 .
• Une mention "bien" si sa moyenne est au moins égale à 14/20 et inférieure à 16/20.
• Une mention "très bien" s'il obtient une moyenne égale ou supérieure à 16/20.
https://www.onisep.fr/parents/vos-questions-nos-reponses/Que...

The following (which will undoubtedly be poorly presented on KudoZ) applies to undergraduate students, not high-school pupils.

Australian Undergraduate Degree Grading (New South Wales & Queensland)
AUS Grades Grade Name Percentage (%) GPA US Equivalent
HD High Distinction 83-100 A+ First Class
D Distinction 73-82.99 A Second Class - Upper Division
C Credit 63-72.99 B Second Class - Lower Division
P Pass 50-62.99 C Third Class
F Fail 0-49.99 D Fail
https://www.casita.com/blog/complete-guide-university-gradin...

Since the range 12 to 14 out of 20 is 60 - 70%, mention assez bien is the rough equivalent of a C pass (pass with credit) (63-72.99%), in NSW and Queensland at least.
The site has similar details for most other states, so you might want to consult it.
Note from asker:
Thanks for the suggestion, but this is for a high school student.
Peer comment(s):

agree writeaway : I think it's important to use Australian equivalents
14 hrs
neutral philgoddard : I disagree with writeaway. There is no 'Australian equivalent,' and it's not the translator's job to find one. It's like saying the Australian equivalent of a dog is a kangaroo.
16 hrs
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4 days

Cum Laude

(Magna)/(Summa) Cum Laude are the terms used in the USA.
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