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Dec 27, 2023 17:14
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Spanish term
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Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English, English
ICExternos
Spanish to English
Medical
Medical (general)
Pathology report for breast cancer
The following text appears in a pathology report for breast cancer:
Descripción Macroscópica:
A) "Mama Izquierda, CIE – Pared Costal": [gross description]
B) "Linfadenectomía axilar izquierda": [gross description]
C) “Tumorectomía ICExternos, por encima del pectoral”: [gross description]
There is no relevant additional information that would suggest the intended meaning.
I am familiar with the acronyms for the quadrants (eg. "CIE", in this case), but do not understand what "ICExternos" is intended to mean.
Can anyone help with this?
Thanks.
Descripción Macroscópica:
A) "Mama Izquierda, CIE – Pared Costal": [gross description]
B) "Linfadenectomía axilar izquierda": [gross description]
C) “Tumorectomía ICExternos, por encima del pectoral”: [gross description]
There is no relevant additional information that would suggest the intended meaning.
I am familiar with the acronyms for the quadrants (eg. "CIE", in this case), but do not understand what "ICExternos" is intended to mean.
Can anyone help with this?
Thanks.
Proposed translations
(English)
| 3 +1 | ULOQ(s) |
Chema Nieto Castañón
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| 3 | outer inter-quadrants |
Helena Chavarria
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Proposed translations
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Chema Nieto Castañón
Spain
Spain
Native in Spanish
Specializes in field
Spain
Psychologist & Emergency Physician
Native in: Spanish (Variant: Standard-Spain) 
Works in: English to Spanish
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ULOQ(s)
O bien,
Junction(s) of Upper and Lower Outer Quadrants
Efectivamente, el original parece referirse a intercuadrantes externos (ICEs). En este caso (salvo especificación contraria), de ambas mamas (de ahí "junctions" versus "junction"; "junction of upper and lower outer quadrants").
ULOQ (upper-lower outer quadrant) sería en cualquier caso el equivalente a ICE (intercuadrante externo). De referirse como parece a ambas mamas, tal vez "ULOQs" (upper-lower outer quadrants).
Ver aquí por ejemplo:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Schematic-of-the-right-b...
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Aunque me temo que no acabo de encontrar originales con este tipo de expresiones (incluida la sencilla "junction of the outer quadrants", que acabo de leer en Discussion), que si bien comprensibles no parecen utilizarse en inglés nativo.
El CIE-10 incluye la especificación "overlapping quadrants", por ejemplo para lesiones descritas a las 3 o a las 9 (descripción horaria). Sin embargo tampoco he encontrado referencias a "outer overlapping region/quadrant" o equivalente, que parecería una forma natural de expresarlo en inglés.
En fin, ¡por si sirve para tirar del hilo!
Junction(s) of Upper and Lower Outer Quadrants
Efectivamente, el original parece referirse a intercuadrantes externos (ICEs). En este caso (salvo especificación contraria), de ambas mamas (de ahí "junctions" versus "junction"; "junction of upper and lower outer quadrants").
ULOQ (upper-lower outer quadrant) sería en cualquier caso el equivalente a ICE (intercuadrante externo). De referirse como parece a ambas mamas, tal vez "ULOQs" (upper-lower outer quadrants).
Ver aquí por ejemplo:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Schematic-of-the-right-b...
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Note added at 6 hrs (2023-12-28 00:08:00 GMT)
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Aunque me temo que no acabo de encontrar originales con este tipo de expresiones (incluida la sencilla "junction of the outer quadrants", que acabo de leer en Discussion), que si bien comprensibles no parecen utilizarse en inglés nativo.
El CIE-10 incluye la especificación "overlapping quadrants", por ejemplo para lesiones descritas a las 3 o a las 9 (descripción horaria). Sin embargo tampoco he encontrado referencias a "outer overlapping region/quadrant" o equivalente, que parecería una forma natural de expresarlo en inglés.
En fin, ¡por si sirve para tirar del hilo!
Note from asker:
| Hi Chema. Many thanks for this. I thought that JOQ might be an option but I can now see that ULOQ is the correct acronym. Cheers, John. |
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Thanks for all the suggestions. "
3 hrs
Helena Chavarria
Spain
Spain
Native in English
Spain
Striving for excellence
Native in: English (Variant: British)
Works in: Spanish to English, Catalan to English
Related KudoZ points
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381
outer inter-quadrants
My first reference isn't available online - I had to download the document.
Figura 19. Distorsión arquitectural en intercuadrantes externos de la
mama izquierda, categorizada como BI-RADS 4. Se realizó biopsia
asistida por vacío con control estereotáxico͕,...
Figura 13. Mujer de 45 años con antecedentes de mastectomía izquierda
y reconstrucción protésica. La ecografía muestra un nódulo ovalado
circunscrito en IC externos de la mama izquierda, con un nivel líquido ʹ
líquido, característico de la necrosis grasa.
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/medical-genera...
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I've read the comments in the discussion box of the KudoZ question I've included in my answer, and apparently 'between' is also used.
Second case shows an invasive lobular carcinoma in a 48 years old woman localized between outer quadrants of the right breast. MRI (Figure 3) presents mass-like irregular ill-defined inhomogeneous and intense lesion (RM4) that is compatible on ABVS (Figure 4) with a large hypoechoic area with indistinct margins and multiple posterior shadowing artifacts (U5).
https://epos.myesr.org/poster/esr/ecr2016/C-0833/findings an...
After the third cycle of Paclitaxel and Carboplatin treatment, she presented with an enlargement of the breast nodule that measured 7.0-cm on palpation, localized in the upper outer quadrant and transition between outer quadrants.
https://surgexppathol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s42...
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Another previous question that might help.
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/medical-genera...
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Note added at 18 hrs (2023-12-28 11:39:46 GMT)
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I hope you can open the following link, where you’ll be able to see a diagram.
https://piper.espacio-seram.com/index.php/seram/article/down...
Figura 19. Distorsión arquitectural en intercuadrantes externos de la
mama izquierda, categorizada como BI-RADS 4. Se realizó biopsia
asistida por vacío con control estereotáxico͕,...
Figura 13. Mujer de 45 años con antecedentes de mastectomía izquierda
y reconstrucción protésica. La ecografía muestra un nódulo ovalado
circunscrito en IC externos de la mama izquierda, con un nivel líquido ʹ
líquido, característico de la necrosis grasa.
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/medical-genera...
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Note added at 4 hrs (2023-12-27 21:53:37 GMT)
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I've read the comments in the discussion box of the KudoZ question I've included in my answer, and apparently 'between' is also used.
Second case shows an invasive lobular carcinoma in a 48 years old woman localized between outer quadrants of the right breast. MRI (Figure 3) presents mass-like irregular ill-defined inhomogeneous and intense lesion (RM4) that is compatible on ABVS (Figure 4) with a large hypoechoic area with indistinct margins and multiple posterior shadowing artifacts (U5).
https://epos.myesr.org/poster/esr/ecr2016/C-0833/findings an...
After the third cycle of Paclitaxel and Carboplatin treatment, she presented with an enlargement of the breast nodule that measured 7.0-cm on palpation, localized in the upper outer quadrant and transition between outer quadrants.
https://surgexppathol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s42...
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Note added at 18 hrs (2023-12-28 11:21:16 GMT)
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Another previous question that might help.
https://www.proz.com/kudoz/spanish-to-english/medical-genera...
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Note added at 18 hrs (2023-12-28 11:39:46 GMT)
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I hope you can open the following link, where you’ll be able to see a diagram.
https://piper.espacio-seram.com/index.php/seram/article/down...
Note from asker:
| Thanks Helen. I think this is the essence of the intended meaning. I've also come across "junction of the outer quadrants". |
Peer comment(s):
| neutral |
liz askew
: sorry, clicked the wrong one!
3 days 14 hrs
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Sorry, I don't understand you. Who clicked the wrong what? Happy New Year, Liz :-)
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Reference comments
3 days 17 hrs
Reference:
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OR. 484 POVES - SESPM
sespm.es
https://www.sespm.es › uploads › revista › 7.pdf
PDF
mm en Intercuadrantes externos (ICE) de mama izda. Ade- más existía un nódulo de 8 mm en la unión de cuadrantes in- ternos, ya conocidos y estables desde el ...
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https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Schematic-of-the-right-b...
sespm.es
https://www.sespm.es › uploads › revista › 7.pdf
mm en Intercuadrantes externos (ICE) de mama izda. Ade- más existía un nódulo de 8 mm en la unión de cuadrantes in- ternos, ya conocidos y estables desde el ...
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Note added at 3 dni 17 godz. (2023-12-31 11:08:47 GMT)
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https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Schematic-of-the-right-b...
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