Feb 8 14:42
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French term
United Kingdom
prise en ses Etablissements
French to English
Law/Patents
Engineering: Industrial
A Memorandum of Understanding between two companies
This appears on the first page of a MoU:
Here is the context
La société XXXX, filiale du groupe XXXX, société par actions simplifiée au capital de XXXX euros, dont le siège est XXXX, immatriculée au Registre du Commerce et des Sociétés de Bobigny sous le n° XXXX, prise en ses Établissements de Dunkerque et Mardyck,
The MoU does concern their facility in Dunkirk, but not their facility in Mardyck.
The contract was signed in Paris but the company in question does have facilities in Dunkirk and Mardyck. I have tried looking on Proz and other terminology databases but have not found any useful suggestions.
Could it be: that this subsidiary "oversees the sites" in Dunkirk and Mardyck?
Here is the context
La société XXXX, filiale du groupe XXXX, société par actions simplifiée au capital de XXXX euros, dont le siège est XXXX, immatriculée au Registre du Commerce et des Sociétés de Bobigny sous le n° XXXX, prise en ses Établissements de Dunkerque et Mardyck,
The MoU does concern their facility in Dunkirk, but not their facility in Mardyck.
The contract was signed in Paris but the company in question does have facilities in Dunkirk and Mardyck. I have tried looking on Proz and other terminology databases but have not found any useful suggestions.
Could it be: that this subsidiary "oversees the sites" in Dunkirk and Mardyck?
Proposed translations
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| 3 +2 | considered in respect of its Establishments of ... |
Mpoma
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References
| Establishment vs company |
Daryo
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Proposed translations
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considered in respect of its Establishments of ...
I take it "MoU" is "Memorandum of Understanding".
You say the MoU doesn't concern the facility in Mardyck, which is puzzling. But maybe there's some obscure reason why (for example) this document must also be sent to Mardyck, or relates to it.
If you search online you'll see that this sort of phrase occurs quite a lot, and often involves more than one establishment, or it might be "prise en ses Etablissements de moins de 50 salariés" ... which strongly suggests that the intention is to filter in/out certain establishments of a large company only.
But I think this filtering is **for the purpose of** this particular document.
If you know/find that these are the ONLY establishments which this company owns that would tend to invalidate my suggestion of course.
You say the MoU doesn't concern the facility in Mardyck, which is puzzling. But maybe there's some obscure reason why (for example) this document must also be sent to Mardyck, or relates to it.
If you search online you'll see that this sort of phrase occurs quite a lot, and often involves more than one establishment, or it might be "prise en ses Etablissements de moins de 50 salariés" ... which strongly suggests that the intention is to filter in/out certain establishments of a large company only.
But I think this filtering is **for the purpose of** this particular document.
If you know/find that these are the ONLY establishments which this company owns that would tend to invalidate my suggestion of course.
Note from asker:
| Thank you for your help. I do think Phil's suggestion is correct in this context as the company does indeed have two mills located in Dunkirk and Mardyck and the Memorandum concerns the steel mills. |
Peer comment(s):
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Bourth
: see my comment under Discussion
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philgoddard
: Sorry, this sounds like translationese. We don't use 'establishment' in this context, and 'of' is the wrong word.
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Daryo
: Definitely right - say the right sources // as opposed to guessing from general purpose dictionaries / everyday language ...
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Reference comments
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Reference:
Establishment vs company
The Relationship Between Business and Establishment
The relationship between business and establishment is simple, Moody's Analytics says.
A business or firm is a legal entity, and an establishment is a location.
For example, suppose you and your best friend form an LLC and open a vegan restaurant. Business booms and you open two more. Your LLC is the firm; each restaurant is a separate establishment.
The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) says any statistical economic analysis needs to define its terms, such as the relationship between "business" and "establishment." In casual conversation, it's fine to refer to each store in a chain as a separate business. The BLS says it uses "firm" when studying employment because that captures the role of corporations better than treating each establishment as a separate employer.
https://smallbusiness.chron.com/difference-between-business-...
What Is an Establishment?
An establishment is a business location for a company that is engaged in a single activity. It's a place where the business is conducted with the objective of getting paid for selling goods or services, even if no specific sales actually take place at that location.
An establishment can be:
A factory where goods are made
An assembly facility where goods are put together, such as an auto assembly plant
A warehouse where goods are stored before they're shipped or sold
A retail store where goods are sold
An office where services are performed for compensation
A branch location for a business can be an establishment. For example, if you have a home office in New Jersey and branch offices in Pennsylvania and Maryland, you have establishments in all three of these locations.
https://www.thebalancemoney.com/establishment-398251#:~:text...
The relationship between business and establishment is simple, Moody's Analytics says.
A business or firm is a legal entity, and an establishment is a location.
For example, suppose you and your best friend form an LLC and open a vegan restaurant. Business booms and you open two more. Your LLC is the firm; each restaurant is a separate establishment.
The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) says any statistical economic analysis needs to define its terms, such as the relationship between "business" and "establishment." In casual conversation, it's fine to refer to each store in a chain as a separate business. The BLS says it uses "firm" when studying employment because that captures the role of corporations better than treating each establishment as a separate employer.
https://smallbusiness.chron.com/difference-between-business-...
What Is an Establishment?
An establishment is a business location for a company that is engaged in a single activity. It's a place where the business is conducted with the objective of getting paid for selling goods or services, even if no specific sales actually take place at that location.
An establishment can be:
A factory where goods are made
An assembly facility where goods are put together, such as an auto assembly plant
A warehouse where goods are stored before they're shipped or sold
A retail store where goods are sold
An office where services are performed for compensation
A branch location for a business can be an establishment. For example, if you have a home office in New Jersey and branch offices in Pennsylvania and Maryland, you have establishments in all three of these locations.
https://www.thebalancemoney.com/establishment-398251#:~:text...
Discussion
They are still two separate locations where this company conducts its business.
The contract can ONLY be made with a legal entity - this company based in Paris.
"prise en ses Établissements de Dunkerque et Mardyck" means that the contract is applicable to / concerns only these two "places of business".
https://annuaire-entreprises.data.gouv.fr/entreprise/comite-...
elle doit être menée pour la société prise en la personne de son représentant légal
le litige l'opposant à la société [...], dont le siège est [...] , en la personne de Mme Y... V..., prise [presumably the company, not the lady] en qualité de mandataire liquidataire, défenderesse à la cassation.
serait contraire à l’intérêt social de la société, prise en tant que personne morale autonome
si elle a été délivrée par la société, prise en la personne de son directeur général et président,
http://www.proz.com/kudoz/french-to-english/law-patents/2092...