Glossary entry

Dutch term or phrase:

Belgische artsenkorps

English translation:

Belgian medical profession; members of the Belgian medical profession; Belgian physicians/doctors; Belgian medical community

Added to glossary by Michael Beijer
Apr 24, 2012 18:49
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Dutch term

Belgische artsenkorps

Dutch to English Social Sciences Medical (general)
some context:

'Heel wat patiënten hebben reeds geprobeerd om aan Viagra® te geraken, hetzij op buitenlands voorschrift, hetzij via hun apotheker of nog, via elk ander minder fraai middel. Dit zou gevolgen kunnen hebben op het vlak van de volksgezondheid. **Het artsenkorps** werd immers tot op heden nog niet door Pfizer wetenschappelijk op de hoogte gebracht van de kenmerken van het product, van zijn toedieningsschema, de ongewenste bijwerkingen, de mogelijke interacties en de noodzakelijke voorzorgsmaatregelen. Dit past in het strikte kader van de Belgische wetgeving, die de farmaceutische firma's verbiedt enige promotiemaatregel te treffen voor de registratie van een product op de Belgische markt.'

'BRUSSEL -- Wie wil niet onmiddellijk tekenen voor een zachte dood, zonder mensonterende aftakeling? Drie Belgen op de vier, zo blijkt uit een opiniepeiling. **Het artsenkorps** stelt zich echter terughoudend op en vindt dat het debat over euthanasie niet is afgerond, aldus een andere enquête.'

'De relatie tussen de griepcommissaris en een deel van **het Belgische artsenkorps** was zelden opperbest, maar de voorbije dagen is ze in ijltempo verzuurd. Eerst was er de rondvraag van de Artsenkrant waaruit bleek dat drie op de vier huisartsen zijn communicatie 'verwarrend' vinden.'

'De domeinnaam is gekoppeld aan een blog waarvan de bedoeling is online diensten aan te bieden aan **het Belgische artsenkorps**, terwijl de inhoud van de website bestaat uit een verzameling losse artikels. '
Change log

Apr 24, 2012 20:51: writeaway changed "Language pair" from "Flemish to English" to "Dutch to English"

Apr 24, 2012 20:51: writeaway changed "Field (write-in)" from "Beslissing van de Commissie voor Deontologie en Ethica in de Farmaceutische Nijverheid (Commissie DEF)" to "(none)"

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Discussion

John Holloway Apr 30, 2012:
thanks ; )
John Holloway Apr 26, 2012:
@ SJLD Interesting that you say that! I also thought so, but was forced to conclude that this was older usage and/or that it was ambiguous, after researching the term a bit. Oxford online: "Physician - one who specialises in diagnosis and medical treatment as distinct from surgery" - but then they add, "...our family physician". I think these days "specialist physician" is used to distinguish from GP? Your comment does point to the fact that it is in any event safer to assume that the "medical profession" in the context consists of "doctors" and not "physicians".
SJLD Apr 25, 2012:
physicians Note that a physician in UK English is a specialist in internal medicine. A physician in US English is anyone with a medical degree.
John Holloway Apr 25, 2012:
... and, to labour the point ; ) when I re-read my earlier example (Doctors are against it) it now clearly seems to mean "some, or many, individual doctors are against it" - as opposed to "the profession, as a group , are against it". This collection of individual doctors is not implied in your source text. Interestingly, this 'collection-of-individuals' meaning is also clear in the reference you supplied earlier: "Physicians have not been prepared for the thorough personal reflection ... of ... [each] ... physician about his attitude toward this ..."
Michael Beijer (asker) Apr 25, 2012:
various options, depending on the context Thanks John. Yes, I think you are probably right there. Depending on the context, the correct translation of 'artsenkorps' would indeed seem to be: medical profession; members of the medical profession; physicians/doctors; medical community. The word 'corps' is incorrect though, in my context.
John Holloway Apr 25, 2012:
(@ Michael) - a 'body' of medical professionals

I agree that physicians (or doctors, they are interchangeable) would do, without affecting the essential meaning, but don't think it's as accurate as it could be. Artsenkorps implies the collective body of the profession. Surely medical profession - or the less frequently-used medical community - is closer to the source's intended meaning and style, conveying more weight to the profession's attitude or reaction than when merely using 'doctors'. (e.g: The medical profession is against it ... vs ... Doctors are against it.)
Michael Beijer (asker) Apr 25, 2012:
2 although in the same article they also use: 'physicians corps', which I find less convincing:

'De Wetenschappelijke Vereniging van Vlaamse Huisartsen wil **het artsenkorps** in dit proces van reflectie wetenschappelijk begeleiden. De vereniging wil dit concretiseren door middel van onderzoek en door het organiseren van navorming, opleiding en training over de besluitvorming bij alle levenseindebeslissingen.' =

'The Belgian Association of General Practitioners wants to accompany **the physicians corps** in this trial of reflection. The association want to concretize this through means of investigation and through the organizing of continuing medical education and training in end of life over the decision-making.'

(also from: http://www.consciencelaws.org/archive/articles/belgium-manda...
Michael Beijer (asker) Apr 25, 2012:
physicians After quite a bit of thinking I am actually back to (one of) my original translation(s): 'physicians'.

See e.g.:

'Het artsenkorps is niet voorbereid op de toepassing van de recente wetgevingen in verband met patiëntenrechten en euthanasie. De grondige persoonlijke reflectie van de arts over zijn houding hieromtrent dient gevoed en ondersteund door collegiaal overleg.' =

'Physicians have not been prepared for the implementation of the recent legislation in connection with patients rights and euthanasia. The thorough personal reflection of the physician about his attitude toward this is nourished and supported through collegial thought.'

(http://www.consciencelaws.org/archive/articles/belgium-manda... )
SJLD Apr 25, 2012:
from French le corps médical - medical community/profession/members of the medical profession etc.
Michael Beijer (asker) Apr 24, 2012:
full disclosure ;) I also asked this question over at TranslatorsCafe: http://www.translatorscafe.com/tcTerms/EN/thQuestion.aspx?id...
Michael Beijer (asker) Apr 24, 2012:
~ In my text they are definitely not talking about the Belgian medical corps. As in, these people: http://www.bmc1800.be/ or these people: http://www.alexandersbattalion.com/abfh/pictures/belgium_med...

Two very large pharmaceutical companies are arguing about a drug. One of them at some point sent a number of promotional letters to 'het artsenkorps', and 'het Belgische artsenkorps'. Everything in my text points to this being synonymous with 'medical community', as suggested by Phil.

My text is a 'Beslissing' of the 'Commissie voor Deontologie en Ethica in de Farmaceutische Nijverheid' (Commissie DEF), as I had stated in the 'Write-in field', which was then removed by the editor/moderator. It is furthermore a Flemish text, which was also changed from my original language pair.
Michael Beijer (asker) Apr 24, 2012:
some more context (this time from my text) 'Daarnaast heeft de huidige procedure ook betrekking op een brief die in diezelfde periode rechtstreeks door LARGE PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY aan het Belgische artsenkorps werd gericht, eveneens voor Indicatie IV van het geneesmiddel XXX.'

Proposed translations

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Belgian medical profession

There are numerous examples of 'Belgische artsenkorps' in contexts implying, literally, 'the national body of doctors' (or 'medical profession' in common English usage). The best explanation is, perhaps, the fact that the term is also applied to the Dutch medical profession, 'De overheid, de zorgverzekeraars, de patientorganisaties, maar ook het artsenkorps zelf worden genoodzaakt ...' (http://www.bol.com/nl/p/nederlandse-boeken/bijblijven-3-2009...

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...similar to 'medical community', as I see Michael and Phil have already commented. Though I think 'medical profession' is stricter and applies to doctors and above, while 'medical community' seems to, more logically, be broader and would include nurses, etc - which is not the meaning in the given context. 'Artsenkorps' - in the specific sense of 'Doctors body' - is not, therefore, exactly matched by an English term but '...profession' gets closest.
Example sentence:

\'Het AVGB was slechts een overkoepelende organisatie in wording en had geen rechtspersoonlijkheid. De er in zetelende artsen ...profileerden zich echter wel als “officiële” vertegenwoordigers van heel het artsenkorps.\' (p.65, \'De artsenstaking va

by Klaartje Schrijvers - see 6th search result at web ref. below.

Peer comment(s):

agree Barend van Zadelhoff
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks John!"
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Belgium (Belgian) Medical Corps

Found some references, not 100% sure but appears to fit your need.
Example sentence:

Attitude of the Belgian medical corps in care of maintaining public health at its present level still highly effective

Note from asker:
Exactly Phil, that's why I asked the question. In my text they are definitely not talking about the military, and it seems to be synonymous with medical community. Also, if it was some sort of an actual association, one would think that there would be a website or some online proof of its existence. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medical_corps for what my text is NOT talking about.
... or perhaps 'physicians', as in: 'Het Promotioneel Materiaal werd ook als een mailing naar het artsenkorps gestuurd.' = 'The Promotional Materials were also sent to physicians in the form of a mailing.'
Peer comment(s):

agree writeaway : what else could it be? just takes a bit of common sense and general knowledge. and I'm merely a target language native /it does sound military-agree with others. community is better. still don't understand the problem though
1 hr
neutral philgoddard : Maybe, but what is this medical corps? It sounds like something from the armed forces. Couldn't it just mean "the medical community"?
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neutral Tina Vonhof (X) : Agree with Phil: the medical community.
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Belgian medical practitioners

A medical practitioner refers to someome practicing medicine and therefore is more specific than medical profession. Members of the medical profession can include doctors as well as dentists, midwives and nurses.
Peer comment(s):

neutral SJLD : no, the medical profession is strictly doctors. Nurses are health care professionals
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