感恩

ysun wrote:


这种人毕竟还是极少数。我更常遇到的是别人的礼让。有时在超市购物，排在前面的人见我买的东西少，往往就会让我到他/她前面去。

最近我出去旅游时也经历了一件比较罕见的事情。一位衣着光鲜的东方贵妇一进电梯马上就按关门的按钮。结果紧跟在后的我就被电梯门狠狠地夹了一下。幸好那次被夹的是我，而不是我身后的两个小孙女。通常先进电梯的人都会把电梯门控制住，直至所有人都进入电梯。所以，人之素质高低与是否有钱，两者之间并无必然联系。

Meixia Jordan wrote:

谢谢ysun先生的忠告。其实有时候只要使用common sense 就不会犯错误。只是如果在一个过于安宁和守法的环境待久了，警惕性和反应能力就会退化，所以偶尔换换环境还是蛮好的。另外针对您的电梯奇遇我也有感触。从小动作上往往就看出一个人的修养素质，对那些钱包鼓鼓，脑袋空空的人，最好的办法就是避而远之吧。

wherestip wrote:

Yueyin,

I'm not surprised at all with your elevator incident; what a doozy! I bet you that woman didn't even have the decency to apologize to you, either.

Bizarre incidents like that just totally goes against the social norm. IMO, ever since globalization, courtesy and decency in human interaction have gradually gotten worse here in the U.S.. Of course, it's all relative; and the odd behaviors one encounters in everyday life are still extremely rare, thank God. I realize how good we have it - living in North America is still like heaven on earth to me.

J.H. Wang wrote:

http://baike.baidu.com/link?url=PQng1ZH6xpBOTBn_z85jjvRwhPXAJYhr_6OWXNw6tmdK5PJtpQ8GExouR4sSrdrgn1NkmTCGMvQe4uXydoZno_

现在看来，这句话也不很靠谱。

详解

或许是太史公司马迁敏锐洞察到了“仓廪实、衣食足”与“知礼节、知荣辱”之间的联系并不是必然的，才把管仲的“则”微妙、审慎的改为了“而”，用今天的话来说就是：“仓廪实、衣食足”是“知礼节、知荣辱”的充分条件，而不是必要条件，“仓廪实、衣食足”只是前提和基础；或许管子当时也没有把这句话说得那么绝对，只是后人一叶障目、断章取义、妄自揣度，未能准确理解先人微言大义罢了，而且在那个诸侯蠢蠢欲动的年代，适用、管用的就是最好的，抑或注重经济、反对空谈主义的管仲先生就是这样精准地抓住了关键。总的来说，从人类曲折的文明发展历程看，“仓廪实而知礼节，衣食足而知荣辱”，经济的发展衍生文明的进步，文明的进步依仗经济的发展，是大趋势、大规律、大方向，从宏观上讲二者水涨船高、相生相随的关系无可争议，从经济基础对上层建筑的决定作用上讲先贤的至理名言依然对现实有巨大的不可抗拒的指导作用，永远会是中华民族弥足珍贵的精神财富，取其精华，去其糟粕，为今所用，适可而止，乃为上策。

wherestip wrote:

J.H.,

Thanks for the link, BTW.

Yeah, I think having the economic means is a necessary but insufficient condition for people to be virtuous. The link you provided kind of pointed that out ...



And the "Maslow's hierarchy of needs" the link refers to is also a pretty interesting read ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

Anyway, I didn't mean to hijack Ying's thread to focus on this topic. My apologies.

J.H. Wang wrote:


Steve,

我之前没有仔细读其中的“详解”内容。不过，仔细一读，才发现“详解”中的如下说法缺乏常识：

用今天的话来说就是：“仓廪实、衣食足”是“知礼节、知荣辱”的充分条件，而不是必要条件

笑死人了！

J.H. Wang wrote:

两者的关系比较复杂，可能需要写一大篇文章，或一本书来探讨。不过，两者应该还是有一定关系的，但不是必然的关系。毕竟，知礼节、知荣辱属于精神文明，仓廪实、衣食足属于物质富足，似乎没有直接从物质富足必然推导出精神文明的逻辑。

J.H. Wang wrote:

两者的关系比较复杂，可能需要写一大篇文章，或一本书来探讨。不过，两者应该还是有一定关系的，但不是必然的关系。毕竟，知礼节、知荣辱属于精神文明，仓廪实、衣食足属于物质富足，似乎没有直接从物质富足必然推导出精神文明的逻辑。

wherestip wrote:

J.H.,

Thanks for the link, BTW.

Yeah, I think having the economic means is a necessary but insufficient condition for people to be virtuous. The link you provided kind of pointed that out ...



And the "Maslow's hierarchy of needs" the link refers to is also a pretty interesting read ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

Anyway, I didn't mean to hijack Ying's thread to focus on this topic. My apologies.

wherestip wrote:

J.H.,

Thanks for the link, BTW.

Yeah, I think having the economic means is a necessary but insufficient condition for people to be virtuous. The link you provided kind of pointed that out ...



And the "Maslow's hierarchy of needs" the link refers to is also a pretty interesting read ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

Anyway, I didn't mean to hijack Ying's thread to focus on this topic. My apologies.

J.H. Wang wrote:


用今天的话来说就是：“仓廪实、衣食足”是“知礼节、知荣辱”的充分条件，而不是必要条件，


应该改为：

用今天的话来说就是：“仓廪实、衣食足”是“知礼节、知荣辱”的必要条件，而不是充分条件，


属于笔误。