Glossary entry (derived from question below)
Italian term or phrase:
ad alta apertura logica
English translation:
with an extremely open logic
Added to glossary by
Peter Waymel
Jan 22, 2013 13:59
11 yrs ago
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Italian term
ad alta apertura logica
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Science (general)
neuroscience, theory of knowledge
La computazione di Turing, il modello del computer digitale, è astratta ed incorporea, mentre la computazione naturale (informazione biologica) considera l’elaborazione dell’informazione un processo strettamente connesso alla struttura fisica del sistema che computa. In questi sistemi ***ad alta apertura logica*** compare un dominio cognitivo, ossia la capacità di produrre e gestire informazione in modo autonomo e generalmente irriducibile ad un singolo modello formale (emergenza semantica).
"In these systems of an extensive logical openness/aperture, a cognitive domain appears, i.e., the ability to produce and manage information in an autonomous way and generally one that is irreducible to a single formal model (semantic emergence)."
I'm quite unsure of how to render it; I don't even have the concept clear. I suppose he's referring to an openness on the part of the subject, or entity, or even the natural world (the context is a dissertation on consciousness, from within the field of neuroscience), to receiving a large amount of data (though that doesn't explain the 'logica' - some more complex rendering would be necessary to translate the term/phrase). "Wide logical openness"? Extensive logical aperture?
I'll have to ask the author but in the meantime, does anyone understand this and have an idea for a better translation?
Thanks,
Peter
"In these systems of an extensive logical openness/aperture, a cognitive domain appears, i.e., the ability to produce and manage information in an autonomous way and generally one that is irreducible to a single formal model (semantic emergence)."
I'm quite unsure of how to render it; I don't even have the concept clear. I suppose he's referring to an openness on the part of the subject, or entity, or even the natural world (the context is a dissertation on consciousness, from within the field of neuroscience), to receiving a large amount of data (though that doesn't explain the 'logica' - some more complex rendering would be necessary to translate the term/phrase). "Wide logical openness"? Extensive logical aperture?
I'll have to ask the author but in the meantime, does anyone understand this and have an idea for a better translation?
Thanks,
Peter
Proposed translations
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4 | with an extremely open logic | James (Jim) Davis |
4 | with their much fuzzier logic | philgoddard |
4 | open to any process amenable to logic | Pompeo Lattanzi |
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with an extremely open logic
The "Turing machine" is a logically very simple and closed system, except that is has an infinite set of instructions, which makes it a general problem solver. The hypothesis put forward here is that logic of biological cognitive mechanisms is a much more open (andnecessarily more complex) system of logic. Personally I doubt that.
I learnt of the Turing Machine in psychology lectures on artificial intelligence and cybernetics in the 1970s.
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Sorry Hi Peter.
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The idea of "open logic" here suggests a large number of different models of reasoning. Which I suppose is plausible. One of the first and famous cognitive models proposed was the idea that rats held images of maps in their brains to enable them to run mazes (Tolman 1930).
I learnt of the Turing Machine in psychology lectures on artificial intelligence and cybernetics in the 1970s.
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Sorry Hi Peter.
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The idea of "open logic" here suggests a large number of different models of reasoning. Which I suppose is plausible. One of the first and famous cognitive models proposed was the idea that rats held images of maps in their brains to enable them to run mazes (Tolman 1930).
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Comment: "Hi Jim. Yes, this sounds good. Thanks!"
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with their much fuzzier logic
I agree with Jim's explanation, but I'm not sure if "open" conveys a clear idea, and I wonder if this would be a better way of putting it.
"Fuzzy logic is a form of many-valued logic or probabilistic logic; it deals with reasoning that is approximate rather than fixed and exact. Compared to traditional binary sets (where variables may take on true or false values) fuzzy logic variables may have a truth value that ranges in degree between 0 and 1."
"Fuzzy logic is a form of many-valued logic or probabilistic logic; it deals with reasoning that is approximate rather than fixed and exact. Compared to traditional binary sets (where variables may take on true or false values) fuzzy logic variables may have a truth value that ranges in degree between 0 and 1."
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James (Jim) Davis
: You are over interpreting. Open logic is not necessarily fuzzy and not a precise term, while fuzzy logic is (it is probabilistic logic). If the author meant fuzzy logic he would have written "logica fuzzy". I am seeing 2+2=3 here Phil. I studied this stuf
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I think your answer is less than perfect, but I wouldn't dream of disagreeing with it.
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open to any process amenable to logic
By way of explanation too.
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