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yes, I know May 20, 2007

Jianjun Zhang wrote:

Tingting Huang wrote:
Imagine if the Chinese could change their RMB freely for foreign currency, what would happen? I guess, many Chinese would rush to buy foreign currencies.

The latest report from the Chinese government says that the China's trade surplus with the US is still huge. I'd rather say appreciation of the Chinese Yuan is actually a natual process that happen sooner or later and its appreciation alone can't solve the problem of the surplus problem.

At least by now, changing RMB into any foreign currency is risky. Yes, Tingting, we can buy major foreign currencies at major banks now as long as it's not over 50,000 USD/year. Just show your ID card.

Latest exchange rate:

BOC buys per 100 USD (cash)
759.16

BOC sells per 100 USD (cash)
768.36


that Chinese can buy foreign currencies but there is still a cap there. That is not free floating. The Forex market is not ready yet for free floating.

[Edited at 2007-05-20 21:43]


 
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Chinese Dollar May 21, 2007

Tingting Huang wrote:
that Chinese can buy foreign currencies but there is still a cap there. That is not free floating. The Forex market is not ready yet for free floating.

[Edited at 2007-05-20 21:43]


I've read about some scholars in Hong Kong and Taiwan talk about a new Chinese Dollar system such as Euro in the EU.

The result is that the new dollar will be based on CNY and supercedes HKD and NTD. The new Chinese dollar may help strenthen and stablize the area's economy. Of course it's a long way to go, but once/if it comes true, free exchange would be really possible.

[Edited at 2007-05-21 00:10]


 
isahuang
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very bolding thinking... May 21, 2007

Jianjun Zhang wrote:

Tingting Huang wrote:
that Chinese can buy foreign currencies but there is still a cap there. That is not free floating. The Forex market is not ready yet for free floating.

[Edited at 2007-05-20 21:43]


I've read about some scholars in Hong Kong and Taiwan talk about a new Chinese Dollar system such as Euro in the EU.

The result is that the new dollar will be based on CNY and supercedes HKD and NTD. The new Chinese dollar may help strenthen and stablize the area's economy. Of course it's a long way to go, but once/if it comes true, free exchange would be really possible.

[Edited at 2007-05-21 00:10]


IMO, the free floating might come before this common currency. It is possible CNY replaces HKD, but as for NTD, I don't know...


 
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Asian Dollar May 21, 2007

Jianjun Zhang wrote:

I've read about some scholars in Hong Kong and Taiwan talk about a new Chinese Dollar system such as Euro in the EU.

The result is that the new dollar will be based on CNY and supercedes HKD and NTD. The new Chinese dollar may help strenthen and stablize the area's economy. Of course it's a long way to go, but once/if it comes true, free exchange would be really possible.

[Edited at 2007-05-21 00:10]


In fact, the economists are keen on proposing one currency in Asia (China, Korea, Japan, Australia and other South East Asian countries). It seems that our government (PRC) lacks interest in this kind of proposal at the current stage.

Either for the greater china region or for the whole asia, the introduction of a single currencey fully depends on the political integration. So, it will be a long way to go.


 
isahuang
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a long way to go May 21, 2007

Donglai Lou wrote:

Jianjun Zhang wrote:

I've read about some scholars in Hong Kong and Taiwan talk about a new Chinese Dollar system such as Euro in the EU.

The result is that the new dollar will be based on CNY and supercedes HKD and NTD. The new Chinese dollar may help strenthen and stablize the area's economy. Of course it's a long way to go, but once/if it comes true, free exchange would be really possible.

[Edited at 2007-05-21 00:10]


In fact, the economists are keen on proposing one currency in Asia (China, Korea, Japan, Australia and other South East Asian countries). It seems that our government (PRC) lacks interest in this kind of proposal at the current stage.

Either for the greater china region or for the whole asia, the introduction of a single currencey fully depends on the political integration. So, it will be a long way to go.


The situation facing East Asia or Southeast Asia is more complicated than that for Europe or North America. Not only China has little interest in it at this stage, other major economies like Japan and Korea are not enthusiastic about it either. Asian countries (China, Korea, Japan and SEA) cannot even have a free trade zone operating (like NAFTA in North America), let alone common currency.


 
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tingting, May 21, 2007

All set. You are wonderful.

 
isahuang
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no problem. May 21, 2007

jyuan_us wrote:

All set. You are wonderful.


 
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Take this with a grain of salt May 23, 2007

chance wrote:

从来没有考虑过玩股,但觉得同胞们的热情和疯狂很可观

wherestip wrote:

chance wrote:

南京的一位股民更是卖掉三套住房,两辆汽车,一次性投入500万元,炒股几近疯狂。《解放报》记者采访了多位新股民,他们甚至没有任何专家指导,这些没有经历过熊市的新股民对预期充满乐观,甚至有种“初生牛犊不怕虎”的劲头,舍得下血本。报道最后说,尽管连中国官方的中央电视台也警告要警惕疯狂炒股的风险,但投身红火股市的股民们,却充耳不闻。他们坚信股市演绎财富的效应,相信未来“全民赚钱,市场亢奋,经济发展”。



It's the perfect recipe for disaster. Don't these people ever study and learn from history?

There could very well be a prolonged bull market; and many people could get rich in the process. But don't kid yourself, these things never end pretty.



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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/23/business/NA-FIN-MKT-US-Closing-Stocks.php



NEW YORK: Stocks wilted Wednesday as comments from former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and worries about upcoming economic data deflated a rally fed by takeover activity.

Stocks initially rose, lifting the Dow Jones industrials briefly above 13,600 for the first time, after the market got a fresh load of deal-related news that included a possible bidding battle over aluminum producer Alcan Inc. But the excitement waned after a media report that Greenspan expressed concern about an eventual sharp decline in China's stock market — which has recently been hitting record highs.

Wall Street's mood also dampened when energy prices failed to ease despite a rebound in U.S. crude and gasoline inventories last week. And with key reports on durable goods and new home sales due for release Thursday and the long Memorial Day weekend looming, investors adopted a defensive stance.

Strong merger and acquisition activity has for weeks been the primary force lifting the Dow, which crossed over the 13,000 milestone less than a month ago. So after some cautionary comments from Greenspan, analysts were not surprised to see investors take a breather.

"He still carries a lot of clout," said Steven DeSanctis, small cap strategist with Prudential Equity Group, noting that U.S. investors are also very focused on the Chinese economy. "You get a data point like that and people start to take profits, get a little nervous."



 
isahuang
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heard this in the news May 23, 2007

[quote]wherestip wrote:

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http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2007/05/23/business/NA-FIN-MKT-US-Closing-Stocks.php



NEW YORK: Stocks wilted Wednesday as comments from former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan and worries about upcoming economic data deflated a rally fed by takeover activity.

Stocks initially rose, lifting the Dow Jones industrials briefly above 13,600 for the first time, after the market got a fresh load of deal-related news that included a possible bidding battle over aluminum producer Alcan Inc. But the excitement waned after a media report that Greenspan expressed concern about an eventual sharp decline in China's stock market — which has recently been hitting record highs.

Wall Street's mood also dampened when energy prices failed to ease despite a rebound in U.S. crude and gasoline inventories last week. And with key reports on durable goods and new home sales due for release Thursday and the long Memorial Day weekend looming, investors adopted a defensive stance.

Strong merger and acquisition activity has for weeks been the primary force lifting the Dow, which crossed over the 13,000 milestone less than a month ago. So after some cautionary comments from Greenspan, analysts were not surprised to see investors take a breather.

"He still carries a lot of clout," said Steven DeSanctis, small cap strategist with Prudential Equity Group, noting that U.S. investors are also very focused on the Chinese economy. "You get a data point like that and people start to take profits, get a little nervous."



About 5 minutes ago, the CNBC on the money was talking about Greenspan's remark. One guest from the street.com was very skeptical about Greenspan's comment. His main point is before Chinese market's bull run started last year, the shanghai market had been languishing for decade while the chinese economy was growing at an average annual rate of 10%. Nobody said anything about that. Now the market finally gained momentum, people start worrying. What he said was true, and actually made sense. Yet, the Chinese market still looks too good.


 
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Greenspan May 24, 2007

Tingting Huang wrote:

About 5 minutes ago, the CNBC on the money was talking about Greenspan's remark. One guest from the street.com was very skeptical about Greenspan's comment. His main point is before Chinese market's bull run started last year, the shanghai market had been languishing for decade while the chinese economy was growing at an average annual rate of 10%. Nobody said anything about that. Now the market finally gained momentum, people start worrying. What he said was true, and actually made sense. Yet, the Chinese market still looks too good.


Tingting,

I really don't know anything about the Chinese stock markets, so it would be presumptuous of me to make any comments.

But I do think what Greenspan says has some weight, at least here in the U. S. markets.



[Edited at 2007-05-24 15:26]


 
isahuang
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I agree, May 24, 2007

wherestip wrote:

Tingting Huang wrote:

About 5 minutes ago, the CNBC on the money was talking about Greenspan's remark. One guest from the street.com was very skeptical about Greenspan's comment. His main point is before Chinese market's bull run started last year, the shanghai market had been languishing for decade while the chinese economy was growing at an average annual rate of 10%. Nobody said anything about that. Now the market finally gained momentum, people start worrying. What he said was true, and actually made sense. Yet, the Chinese market still looks too good.


Tingting,

I really don't know anything about the Chinese stock markets, so it would be presumptuous for me to make any comments.

But I do think what Greenspan says has some weight though, at least here in the U. S. markets.



[Edited at 2007-05-24 00:32]


but now those commentators are jumping all over Greenspan. He is unleashed now.


 
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irrational exuberance May 24, 2007

Tingting Huang wrote:

... but now those commentators are jumping all over Greenspan. He is unleashed now.


Greenspan's like Rodney Dangerfield -- gets no respect

His warning of "irrational exuberance" in the late '90s wasn't taken too seriously either. The bull market just kept raging on despite his Fed continuously raising the interest rates. But eventually he was vindicated by the burst of the dot com bubble.

http://www.moneycafe.com/library/fedfunds.htm

http://www.moneycafe.com/library/prime.htm



[Edited at 2007-05-24 12:25]


 
daisy0079
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关于股市 May 24, 2007

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chance wrote:

最近读到这篇文章,我的一个朋友自己不炒股,但是仍相信中国的股市不会有大危机,因为有政府控制,你是如何看?


你朋友的预测基本上是比较准确的。最近中国股市很火,周末看中央4台报道一个年轻人2005年以7万块开始炒股,2006年资金已达两千万,可算是中国的“股神”。但他本人也告诫广大股民,如果不明白大盘走势,还是应该谨慎为是。我个人觉得中国股市应该会继续走高,但中间会有震荡,像暂时的下跌等等。上星期,中国股市的交易量超过了全亚洲市场的交易量,这确实让人有点担忧。现在中国股市持续走高的一个原因是太多的资金追逐数量有限的股票。需求远超出供给,价格自然就上涨。这也跟中国人缺少其它投资渠道有关。中国的储蓄存款率很低,加上通货膨胀,储蓄存款的回报是负增长,难怪中国人要到股市去赌一把。你朋友说的因为有政府控制,所以股市不会有大危机,其实不准确。最近央行行长,还有其他官员都表示过对股市可能会过热的担忧,但对中国股市一点影响都没有。其实现在中国政府的态度是要逐渐减少行政干预,让市场发挥作用。这个周末中国刚出台了新的允许QDII(qualified domestic institutional investor)投资海外的规定,这就是一个很好的例子。中国股市比起几年以前的情况已大有改善,规章制度逐渐走向规范化,不过股民还需对投资做好功课。这些需要时间,但个人认为,中国股市在今后几年里不会出现像2005年前长达10年多的萎靡。


任何商品,只要买的人比卖的人多,价格总会上涨,股市的飙升也是如此。

现在这个牛市,开始时是靠机构操纵,后来是靠散户信心爆棚、纷纷入市,但不管怎样都是投机多于投资,股票市值不反映企业的盈利能力。这样的高市值就像沙滩上的城堡,不可能一直维持得住。股民都想捞一把就走,问题是牛市能持续多久,危机哪天来临,最终接盘的会是哪些人?


 
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The bigger fool May 24, 2007

daisy0079 wrote:

任何商品,只要买的人比卖的人多,价格总会上涨,股市的飙升也是如此。

现在这个牛市,开始时是靠机构操纵,后来是靠散户信心爆棚、纷纷入市,但不管怎样都是投机多于投资,股票市值不反映企业的盈利能力。这样的高市值就像沙滩上的城堡,不可能一直维持得住。股民都想捞一把就走,问题是牛市能持续多久,危机哪天来临,最终接盘的会是哪些人?


daisy,

Well-said. You just described the greater fool theory.

As mentioned before, some prolonged bull markets could reach stratospheric levels. But when they come down to earth, you don't want to be the fool caught holding the bag.

That's why value investing is a much sounder and safer way of playing the market.


http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/greaterfooltheory.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigger_fool_theory



[Edited at 2007-05-24 13:55]


 
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agree May 24, 2007

wherestip wrote:

daisy0079 wrote:

任何商品,只要买的人比卖的人多,价格总会上涨,股市的飙升也是如此。

现在这个牛市,开始时是靠机构操纵,后来是靠散户信心爆棚、纷纷入市,但不管怎样都是投机多于投资,股票市值不反映企业的盈利能力。这样的高市值就像沙滩上的城堡,不可能一直维持得住。股民都想捞一把就走,问题是牛市能持续多久,危机哪天来临,最终接盘的会是哪些人?


daisy,

Well-said. You just described the greater fool theory.

As mentioned before, some prolonged bull markets could reach stratospheric levels. But when they come down to earth, you don't want to be the fool who's holding the bag.

That's why value investing is a much saner and safer way to play the market.


http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/greaterfooltheory.asp

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigger_fool_theory



[Edited at 2007-05-24 11:34]


中国股市的运作是比较奇怪的。它的涨跌跟中国经济的fundamentals没有多大的关系。这一点不同于其它国家的股市。现在西方以及亚洲金融市场很关注中国股市的走势,上海股市震荡常会影响西方股市的交易。
Investors in the west often overreact to Chinese market's corrections. A decline in shanghai market is not related to China's economic performance. The economic fundamentals are still intact. It is not very smart to take cue from the Chinese market the same way people do with other asian markets. What is shocking about the Chinese market now is about 50% of the retail investors there say that they don't understand the stock market at all. This is scary.

http://finance.people.com.cn/GB/67815/71134/5763123.html

调查中发现了一个令人担忧的情况。所有受访者对金融股票知识了解甚少,只有10%的股民宣称对股市十分了解,而多达50%的受访者称只对股市略知一二,还处于学习阶段。也就是说,中国很多的股民并不具备相关的专业知识,只是以“投机”的心态对待投资。此外,在接受问卷的股民中,超过三分之二的股民希望得到相关业务的培训或金融知识的积累,这不失为一个良好的信号。



[Edited at 2007-05-24 16:46]


 
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