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Wenjer Leuschel (X) 
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David Shen wrote:
文哲兄，
论哲理，这个论坛上你是最令人佩服的。常常可从你对任何事情都能从两面观的态度中得到启发。只是这个世上往往不是白就是黑，尤其是人间好恶之争。
Hi David,
讀你的文字是一大享受，所以我說 "Nice."，意思是 "Nice to have you around."。
我年紀很小的時候，開始讀四書五經，真正感動的是讀到「大學之道，在明明德，在親民，在止於至善。知止而后有定，定而后能靜，靜而后能安，安而后能慮，慮而后能得。物有本末，事有終始，知所先後，則近道矣。....」
那是「中庸」。我幼小的心靈受到那種論理順序嚴謹的震撼。乖乖，古聖先賢的論理竟然如此無懈可擊，無一贅字。要說論理，那才是論理；我平常的閒嗑牙，不能算論理，只能說是隨便聊聊。
德國物理學家 Werner Heisenberg 有一本回憶錄「部分與整體」。在這本回憶錄裡，他把他個人及其他同仁在整體物理學界裡的關係解說得非常清楚。總的來說，他認為個人在整體裡往往並不很重要，因為天地間的現象是：整體必定大於個人總起來的全部。
其實，我的論理也如此。有人喜歡談大是大非，有人喜歡談小是小非 (八卦)，我則喜歡遊走兩端，由黑而白或倒過來，分出不同的色彩和色調。至於別人的好惡，我卻一點都顧不及，因為個人在整體裡其實沒有多大重要性，縱使我常常思考 "Get liked or get lost." 的道理。每個人做的思想，或多或少也是別人做過或將來總有時候會做的。好惡往往毫無道理，善惡是非則有一定的道理，只是人們對自己和別人不一定時時都誠實；這是人間好惡之爭無解的根本原因，非無干黑白。
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David Shen wrote:
My coworkers and I enjoyed competition in loading fast and accurately and I was one of the fastest. I certainly enjoyed the team-work atmosphere. Like in all environments where girls are present, boys offered help to girls whenever they can, asked for or not. I had fond memories of both, I mean each one of my colleagues.. Things look really beautiful in them as the color red is
男女搭配，干活不累。
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| 尤其是让哲理说得漂亮的的人再给你施点小计策，保险让你更佩服 ! | Oct 9, 2006 |
David Shen wrote:
文哲兄，
论哲理，这个论坛上你是最令人佩服的。常常可从你对任何事情都能从两面观的态度中得到启发。只是这个世上往往不是白就是黑，尤其是人间好恶之争。
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chance (X)
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没有引用哲理，却充满哲理，尤其是最后一段五味俱全。
David Shen wrote:
So what I got from IBM is not pension, nor stock option, nor enough technical skill marketable in the US to make a living, none of that, except a nice pair of laser-proof blue glasses which I still use once in a while for sunglasses. Things look really beautiful in them as the color red is filtered out and you feel and stay cool under the Californian sun. The only hazard though is that you can't see the red stop lights when driving.
If I ever get pulled over by a police officer for driving through a red light, I am going to blame IBM. Remember the old lady who sued McDonald for a cup of coffee too hot? I may get something back from IBM that way, don't you think it's a great idea Steve?
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| 是啊，没到自己头上怎么说都行，轻松的很， | Oct 9, 2006 |
轮到台湾问题就看出好恶了。
David Shen wrote:
文哲兄，
论哲理，这个论坛上你是最令人佩服的。常常可从你对任何事情都能从两面观的态度中得到启发。只是这个世上往往不是白就是黑，尤其是人间好恶之争。
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| Chance and Wenjer: | Oct 9, 2006 |
两岸统一问题，还是和平解决最好。:)
chance wrote: 轮到台湾问题就看出好恶了。 David Shen wrote:
文哲兄，
论哲理，这个论坛上你是最令人佩服的。常常可从你对任何事情都能从两面观的态度中得到启发。只是这个世上往往不是白就是黑，尤其是人间好恶之争。
[Edited at 2006-10-09 11:46]
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chance (X)
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我从生活中也学会了从多个方面看问题，但是还能保持是非界限清楚，反对没有道德的做法就是反对，言简意赅，不会绕一大圈去胡诌，混淆视听。
开个不好笑的玩笑，哪天“有幸”也遇上个那种中国姑娘，保险是非界限分明了。
当然这只是一个例子而已。
Chinoise wrote: 两岸统一问题，还是和平解决最好。:) chance wrote: 轮到台湾问题就看出好恶了。 David Shen wrote:
文哲兄，
论哲理，这个论坛上你是最令人佩服的。常常可从你对任何事情都能从两面观的态度中得到启发。只是这个世上往往不是白就是黑，尤其是人间好恶之争。
[Edited at 2006-10-09 11:46]
[Edited at 2006-10-09 12:12]
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Wenjer Leuschel (X)
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Chinoise wrote:
两岸统一问题，还是和平解决最好。:)
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| chance, 祖国人民对你的人品绝对放心：） | Oct 9, 2006 |
Chance and Wenjer:
送你们俩八个字：
“和平统一，一‘家’两制” :D
Betty
chance wrote:
我从生活中也学会了从多个方面看问题，但是还能保持是非界限清楚，反对没有道德的做法就是反对，言简意赅，不会绕一大圈去胡诌，混淆视听。
开个不好笑的玩笑，哪天“有幸”也遇上个那种中国姑娘，保险是非界限分明了。
当然这只是一个例子而已。
Wenjer Leuschel wrote: 一個願嫁、一個願娶最好
[Edited at 2006-10-09 14:44]
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| 這次去大陸﹐帶上你的外籍護照﹐出手大方點兒...... | Oct 9, 2006 |
“機會”就來了
Wenjer Leuschel wrote: Chinoise wrote:
两岸统一问题，还是和平解决最好。:)
一個願嫁、一個願娶最好
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Wenjer Leuschel (X)
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Chinoise wrote:
“和平统一，一‘家’两制”
Betty,
你真能開玩笑。一國兩制都行不通了，一家兩制怎行得通？
至於 chance 和我的小小意見不同，那不是什麼大不了的，主見這麼強烈的女生我倒真的很少遇見，其實我也因此挺看重她的。如果她認為我兜圈子混淆是非，老實說，我得稍稍承認一下。我確實知道她所說的社會現象是存在的，但我就是無法跟她一同譴責我不知道出於什麼原因造成那種現象的當事的中國或其它國家的姑娘。朋友偶而抬抬槓，這也蠻有趣的。一家兩制？我看 Betty 你自己都會消受不了，別開這種玩笑好嗎？
[Edited at 2006-10-10 02:07]
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我说“一‘家’两制”，是在半开玩笑；但实践证明，一国两制绝对行得通！
Wenjer Leuschel wrote: Chinoise wrote:
“和平统一，一‘家’两制”
Betty, 你真能開玩笑。一國兩制都行不通了，一家兩制怎行得通？
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| Chance and Wenjer: | Oct 9, 2006 |
你们俩继续谈......
我们大家也尽量做到“不翻译时说笑话”或“不翻译时谈美食/不谈美食谈翻译”.......
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peiling
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| KudoZ现在倒是'五颜六色'了. | Oct 9, 2006 |
David Shen wrote: Pei Ling Haussecker wrote:
怎么越描越黑...
\O-O\ Poooor Sssssight! Sorry Pei Ling...... I did not see the "dot" between my name and the rest of it. I am convinced now that starting from this post of yours, I need to use reading glasses. 越描越黑没关系啊，中国画知白守黑，工笔重彩都用深色打底，敷上石青石绿反而有深度感，比西洋水彩强多了。所以不怕黑，只要宣纸不破，象油画一样可层层迭迭复加, so may I add some colors to our conversation?
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| Tinted "Safety" Glasses | Oct 9, 2006 |
David Shen wrote:
So what I got from IBM is not pension, nor stock option, nor enough technical skill marketable in the US to make a living, none of that, except a nice pair of laser-proof blue glasses which I still use once in a while for sunglasses. Things look really beautiful in them as the color red is filtered out and you feel and stay cool under the Californian sun. The only hazard though is that you can't see the red stop lights when driving.
If I ever get pulled over by a police officer for driving through a red light, I am going to blame IBM. Remember the old lady who sued McDonald for a cup of coffee too hot? I may get something back from IBM that way, don't you think it's a great idea Steve?
David,
Thanks for sharing your very personal experience, which not only was an interesting and remarkable story to read, but also imparted wisdom and a great moral message. I see chance and others feel the same way too.
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